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This came up on the audio chat last night (Join us next time! Thanks to Nurturing Bosom and Nipple Wizard for hosting–congrats on 1 year together!)
Anyway, I’m a scientist by training so my brain works in statistics 🤓 Does anyone have a sense (or even better, data/research) on the percentage of the overall population that shares this interest? Are there gender differences? Age differences? I find these questions fascinating.
Also, they’re practically important: if you’re on a vanilla dating app, and ABF/ANR is important to you, is the compatibility rate there going to be 0.1%, 1%, 10%, etc.? (There’s the scientist again, thinking in orders of magnitude…)
Great to be on the site, and much appreciation to @tuehlykv for creating an excellent community. Interested to hear folks’ thoughts on this.
I believe the percentage would be very low. Well under 10 percent. Maybe even 1 percent. That doesn’t even take into account the other compatibility issues that go along with dating in general. If you have 100 women (or men) who are interested in ANR, the percentage of those women or men who fit the other dating criteria (location, age range, similar interests, etc) shrink the pool even more.
Thanks for the topic that is interesting for me as I am doing research on this. I will add the anthropology context though, we are probably not including them in these figures but should as this hasn’t been lost in many so-called “uncivilised” societies. Also the people who do it or have tried it but don’t speak up.
I will add that I recently taught a course on medieval medicine with a focus on a specific group of knights who I am researching at the moment, but Galen and Pliny the Elder all the way back in antiquity recommended breast-milk as a cure-all for many illnesses and conditions. This continued in medieval times due to the translations by Arab scholars of Greco-Roman works and it was again, one of the star cures…but all the way up to even the end of the 1800s!
Re Milk being a “cure” this has been part of my research although I’ve actually gone through all the old texts, but leaving this here that you ca all download and have a read. Drinking breast milk may now be a societal taboo but this is actually quite a recent take on it.
This painting actually sold for over 30 million euro and shows Roman Charity (Caritas), Cimon and Pero is an ancient Greek and Roman exemplary story (exemplum) of filial piety (pietas) in which a woman secretly breastfeeds her father or mother, incarcerated and supposedly sentenced to death by starvation. Once caught, the loving devotion shown so moves the authorities that she is forgiven and the parent is typically freed. The father in the story is often named Cimon (Ancient Greek: Κίμων, Kímōn) and the daughter Pero, although other versions name the father Mycon (Μύκον, Mýkon). First attested in surviving Roman sources, it became a common theme in Early Modern period of Western European art, particularly the Baroque period.
However, the idea here of milk sustaining the father was not far from the beliefs at the time until modern times. It would explain why body builders and wealthy men still seek it, however the belief was that it was best from the breast directly, and even that that the best milk was that from the mother that had previously had a son, so that puts me on the menu XD. I will add that my son got quite ill when I had to go back to work and put him on baby formula, he was completely allergic to all of them ad many babies are, but had no issue with my own milk. Some friends described similar, and when being unable to find a donor, doctors prescribed goat milk.
See this article also: Breastfeeding; patriarchy’s debt
Great to have a fellow researcher (in an area much more relevant than my own) in here! Thanks @elayne for the resources. I particularly want to learn about the medicinal properties of milk. It’s not *why* I’m looking for an ANR but it would an incredible gift.
Thank you @bodhitree I really appreciate the note, I actually believe in what Galen and Pliny and others wrote. As shared with you, I have been working on a very specific area of history and specifically on men who engaged in some of the practices I will be sharing in the blog, especially working with sexual (kundalini energy), chakras but also as I discovered and taught in my healing and medieval medicine arts class re Crusades, they imported significant knowledge from the Middle East and plants that were unknown in Europe, also helping to recover lost knowledge which is what I do with my work. I bring back parts of history that have been deliberately omitted or forgotten but that can improve our lives and wellbeing significantly. Lactation is one of these practices but I work in all areas, or through many lenses as I like to view these areas, which act as tools in my historian’s toolkit.Psychology is important too, especially archetypal in terms of dreams, archetypes that run the show in our lives and symbols that trigger us to act a certain way or to remember forgotten knowledge and the old ways our soul knows.
Re the medical masterclass I taught for 2 days, I had 6 attendees all from an upper medical /pharma background so you can imagine the discussions we had. I was trying to avoid mentioning breastmilk all the time but really it was a major cure then and until very recently. I taught the course a second time to my own long-time students and did mention it there quite a bit, my regular students know I am “experimenting” as I always do, bringing back history and trying it on me 😉 I wanted to write parts of the upcoming book experiencing the old rites of Temple priestesses so that I could write those parts as someone who had actually experienced at every level what that meant. We shall see if I get there, but I am a Guinea Pig for living history.
I will be attending various medical conferences soon re the Renaissance, healing elixirs and alchemy, which SHOULD mention breastmilk and lactation as it was also part of the physical sacred marriage of the sun and moon (union of opposites, sulfur and mercury), if the speakers have done their research properly. I am in touch with them and may actually submit a proposal only on this topic for next year as I will have my MA then and they require it, we’ll see but I will do at some point and all my work on this will feature in a book on sacred sexuality.
I’ll add @bodhitree that re breast milk, these are the effects so far researched and that seem to provide solid evidence re breastmilk as a cure:
Skin issues (I suffer from highly sensitive skin, baby-like which just flares up with anything non-natural brushing it or even the winds a times. I have been trying sacred spikenard re a historic wine I recreated as a medieval complex medicinal remedy also just plainly outside of the wine (I will take a photo XD for fun). This has been effective but was actually one of the most sacred herbs used in the sacred sex ritual of Hieros Gamos (also in the anointing of Jesus by Mary Magdalene) and has many medicinal uses but also as an aphrodisiac.
I am almost 99% certain that the “Knights” I am researching not only used this as well as Cannabis/Hemp which helped me as CBD oil (together with breast massage and energy healing) get over my cancer surgery quicker and keep it at bay, but that they also consumed breast-milk. I am researching this currently, but even without the hard evidence yet, I can see why and how they would have used it so it makes sense. Breast milk throughout history has been seen as the most sacred of fluids, believed to be made up of blood actually (the ancients believed that menstrual blood was really milk as there was a large vein connecting the two) and semen was also believed to be made of blood. This is also relevant to my research as I believe the whole “celibate” prohibition has been wrongly interpreted by people unfamiliar with certain practices in the East, including semen retention as in Taoism/Tantra but also Jewish practices even if it would seem contradictory; the spilling of seed without the intention of creation was a sin (as in the bible too) and brought disaster.
When I research history I learn about what mattered to them back in a given period, who the people were…it is necessary to understand them,and even back in the early days before Christianity we have Gnostic groups and even earlier groups, who saw the sacredness of bodily fluids but also the health properties. In Egypt, for example it was believed that bodily fluids helped with magical spells as a way of moving magic or
Heka (I am trained in this). Written spells could be licked from
the papyrus in order to be taken into the human body. Magic could be eaten or swallowed. From blood to semen to spittle, all these fluids are powerful, but none as powerful as Milk.“Egyptian art shows the king drinking this holy milk of the
Goddess three important times: at birth, at his coronation,
and at his rebirth. The symbolism is clear. Goddess milk provides life to the babe, royal power—and perhaps wisdom and even divinity—to the new king, and renewal after death for the deceased king.” See a series of articles below I agree with:https://isiopolis.com/tag/isis-milk/
Breast milk was already used for healing in ancient Egypt but it was part of the earlier sacred sex temple rituals wrongly seen as temple prostitution. I have gone back to the beginning of history tracing it, also for my healing lectures and not only is breast milk healing for those who drink it (preferably from the breast), promising longevity, stronger immune system but also wisdom, and in some cases “resurrection” but it was also healing for the woman producing milk in terms of keeping cancer and other illnesses a bay. This for me has been crucial as I almost died in 2019…
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